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December 06, 2004

Dr. Masaru Emoto - What The Bleep?

What the bleep do we know? Well, we know for sure that the disingenuous con artists posing as shamans and soothsayers are still trying to pull the wool over our eyes. So, I guess some things never change. I went to see this movie "What the bleep do we know" in San Francisco, of all places. I wasn't wearing a sarong, holding crystals, or burning incense, but I did go with an open mind. Unfortunately, to believe this travesty, you have to go with no mind, not an open one. They claim in the movie that a few thousand people meditated in D.C. in a 1993 study and brought the crime rate down 25% in 8 weeks. Now, obviously, this can't be true. If it were true, then every police force in the country would lay down their weapons and take up meditation. If you believe it is true, then you should go start a company that reduces crime in any city on earth for a fee. The taxpayers would pay you billions to eliminate violent crime in cities from Manhattan to Mexico City. So, I went to their website to research some of the more flagrant claims they made. And, hold onto your seats folks - you're not gonna believe it but they deliberately manipulated the results! I'm sure you're as shocked as I was. Here's the manipulated graph from the "What the Bleep" website.

Notice how, in the graph above, the crime drops constantly over the 8 week period? Nice convincing graph, but that isn't what happened in the study. For the first three weeks and the last week of the meditation study, the crime actually rose. And, it never fell 25% as claimed in the movie, or even 23% as shown in the fraudulent graph above. The graph below shows it nearly doubled before it fell and then began rising again, even with a record number of well-intentioned meditators.

They also promulgate falsehoods by Dr. Masaru Emoto that he can alter the structure of the water with his thoughts. Hogwash. He is a fraud and his operation is a hoax. I will pay Dr. Masaru Emoto $10,000.00 if he can identify, in a double-blind study, what someone's mood was when they were meditating over vials of water. So, in case you're wondering if he's a fraud, he's a fraud, because he's never contacted me to accept my challenge.

What The Bleep Do We Know? Although some of the ideas presented in this movie are intriguing, they back it all up with rewarmed junk science and half-baked logic espoused by anti-llectuals that leaves the true-believers astounded and the skeptics skeptical.

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Posted by Peenie Wallie on December 06, 2004 at 09:31 PM


Wow, it's interesting how I can find the source for the "fraudulent" graph (http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/), but I can't find the source of yours (http://www.naturallaw.org.nz/Research/DC_Abstract.htm - doesn't exist)!

Could the Instritute of Science, Technology and Public Policy be wrong and you be right? I don't think so! Prove your graph, or you're just another unfounded skecptical fraud!

Posted by: Mike on September 02, 2005 at 10:14 AM

Ok so why does Emoto sell you bottles of magic water for $65 ?



This sounds like a Kabbalah center special edition:


Can these fraudsters, if I'm going to call them this please accept some type of proper double-blind study or 'challenge' to demo their magic water?

Posted by: G. Tyler on November 25, 2005 at 12:36 PM


I would quote a .gov site before a site that is run by someone from MUM.edu. Keep in mind the MUM courses are offered for $5-10k and there are monteary gains associated with most of these sites.


I hate to be a skeptic but someone really needs to back up some statements with real evidence vs private party non-sense.

Posted by: G. Tyler on November 25, 2005 at 12:45 PM

did you read his books? replicate an experiment imperically like all disbelievers would?
before throwing out accusations and the like, you should know that many have replicated his experiments and recieved the same results. mr. emoto is an extremely busy man and international public speaker, relax. keep your 10 million and try it yourself, chill out for a second and read a book. very wise words, you may benefit.

Posted by: anna on November 25, 2005 at 09:36 PM

You know, this movie was full of unbelievable stuff, but that was the point. Its hard to say whether its true. I believe a lot of it, only because I already believed it before I saw the movie. Most of what they talked about was things I've already thought to be true but they supposedly have applied scientific theories to it. Anyway, my point is, the thing they were saying about it is, if you dont believe it you are conciously making it not true. you can make anything you want, things to be false. also, like he said, people look at unbelievable things and they either dont see it, or they dont believe it. its kind of a catch 22 in the whole thing, and sure it could be concidered a cop out answer, but isnt that how most huge religions handle big questions too?

Posted by: Samuel on December 21, 2005 at 01:15 AM

Well, you can make some things to be true by your beliefs, as they're essentially self-fulfilling prophecies. As in, "I don't think I could start my own company". Well, in that case, you're right. You can't. Or "I believe I can start my own company". In which case, you're also right. But to say you can tell what other people were thinking by taking pictures of water crystals is a horse of a different color. This involves physics, and I guarantee you he can't reproduce this result in a double-blind test. It just isn't possible.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on December 21, 2005 at 02:46 AM

I actually couldn't care less if these experiments are biased and misleading. What troubles me is you, and so many others alike, that call a theory a hoax based on what they know of "physics". The truth is that ever since eisenberg, every time you arrogant "scientists" try to proove something impossible because it conflicts with your knowledge of the "real world", you can't, quantum mechanics has questioned the very foundation of you're "laws". And so, if you can't understand the structure, if you dont have a basis of evidence, you become no diferent from the ones you acuse of having inadequate scientific methodology and of
being "anti-lectual". The diference is they spend their time constructing and you spend your time destroying. A cab driver this morning made me think, why is it that anyone going slower than you are is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac?

Posted by: G. Zuss-Kryst on March 06, 2006 at 09:10 AM

I challenged Dr. Criminal Emoto's preposterous claims on this site over a year ago. I bet $10,000.00 that he couldn't reproduce the results in a double-blind experiment, and he's never said "boo". So, he's a fraud. Otherwise, he'd come forward and clear his good name post haste. He's a fraud, and you're too stupid to realize it. The line the cab driver fed you about "why is it that anyone going slower than you are is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac" is an old line from George Carlin's standup comedy routine. You're being hoodwinked by Emoto and a freaking cab driver for Christ's sake. Wake up and smell the B.S.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on March 06, 2006 at 09:55 AM

I'm not an Emoto believer but your attitude is just as questionnable as his experiments. Do you think everyine in the world has seen your website and that Mr. Emoto would? And if he did? Who the hell are you to challenge him with a financial proposition?

Can you prove that you can pay in case he wins?

Please affix your last bank extract before making such statements. You might not look like some angry skeptic that is just as far-off from reality as a great number of new-age frauds.

There is a middle way you know?

Posted by: God on March 11, 2006 at 03:57 PM

You obviously haven't thought this out very well, so I'll help you with it. Here's how the internet works. Not everyone on earth has to see my site for Dr. Emoto to get word of it. What would happen is that, anyone that knows him that saw this post would direct him to it. Or, anyone that knows someone that knows him, would point him to it. This is how the internet works. It's marvelously efficient.

I can assure you that I can come up with the $10K. For some, this may seem like a lot, but for me, this is not a lot of money.

Finally, the $10,000.00 is insignificant, in any event. I am calling him a liar, a fraud, and a cheat. He is, I can assure you. The reason he hasn't sued me for libel is that the ultimate defense about libel is the truth. And the truth is that he's a fraud. If he weren't he'd have sued me by now. Think about it.

Finally, there is, unfortunately, no middle way. He either can reproduce his claims, or he can not. It is black and white. There is no grey here. I guarantee you he's lying. Why don't you contact him and ask him what's wrong with a double-blind experiment. (You can look up what double-blind means when you get some time off from McDonalds.)

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on March 11, 2006 at 07:07 PM

Maybe Dr Emoto doesn't care about you or your money and feels no need to prove anything to you. Maybe he found soemthing he thought was cool and thought it would be nice to share.

Posted by: astro on March 21, 2006 at 02:57 PM

Yeah. That sounds about right. A scientist that doesn't care about money or his reputation. Hmmm. Yeah. That makes lots of sense, doesn't it?

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on March 21, 2006 at 07:37 PM

"Dr" Emoto received his degree from the Open International University of alternative Medicine in India to the tune of about $450. His undergrad degree is in international realtions from the Yokahama Municipal University. Hmm, not exactly the stuff pre med's are made of.
As it's been noted in the scientific community, the qualities "DR"E uses and the photographs are culled to make his point. Hardly sicentific. If his work is acurate, it is indeed groundbreaking but sadly it is unintentional fraud.

Posted by: Solaris on April 02, 2006 at 10:03 AM

Hi. Is a little sad, and surprises me, that someone so right in his skeptical and critical way of thinking can be so inhuman in tolerance and discriminating issues.

You are absolutely right about Emotos, and What the bleep stuff, but not about immigrants, mexicans and different cultures from yours.

Posted by: Mario on April 18, 2006 at 11:19 AM

Hmmm. Not sure what you mean by this. I think people shouldn't come here illegally, but I have nothing against Mexicans or people from other cultures. I have plenty of friends from different creeds, religions, races, and nationalities. I don't think Mexicans should come here illegally though. Maybe this is what's behind your comment?

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on April 19, 2006 at 08:12 AM

You seem to be very confident that he is a fraud.

Now im not saying he is or he isnt a fraud, but his experiments are interesting if they are true.

Since money is not an object for you, why dont you take your $10 000 and invest it in doing the double-blind study yourself?

Its not like his experiments are elaborate, he thinks thoughts and looks at water.

So if you prove him wrong you can say without a doubt he is a fraud and you will be the person who puts Emoto in his place!

But for now you sound like a grade 3 kid saying, oh if he doesnt accept my challenge he is a fake.

Thats the stupidest thing i've heard!

So mister big shot money man, if Emoto wont respond and your CONFIDENT AND YOU HAVE MONEY TO SPEND..go do it yourself

If your Right you can make Emoto look like a fool and you call tell everyone who thinks YOU'RE wrong to go..**** themselves lol.

But if you find that its true, do me a favour. Grab a pistol and just shoot yourself.

Good day!

Posted by: random_x on April 26, 2006 at 11:55 AM

You're an idiot. I know he's a fraud. Everyone knows he's a fraud. I wouldn't waste a nickle of my money proving he's a fraud. It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. Go study physics you freaking white-trash miscreant.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on April 26, 2006 at 08:34 PM

It would be good if we could tone down the inflammatory prose here. This issue is too important to turn a discussion of it into a pissing contest.

So here's the thing: Why is nobody willing to do the double blind experiments? Peenie Wallie says he "wouldn't waste a nickel" of his money to prove Emoto is a fraud. But he's willing to give Emoto $10K if Emoto does the double-blind experiment that would tell us whether he's a fraud. Is there not a little double-speak going on here? It looks like PW *is* willing to spend $10K to show Emoto is a fraud. So his most recent comment (4-26-06) is a little hard to understand.

In fact, if Emoto is a fraud, why trust him to do the double-blind experiment in the first place? If someone -- anyone! -- is willing to part with any amount of their money to establish the truth, why not use that money to fund a (disinterested) third party to do the experiment? I would exclude BOTH Emoto and PW from the list of disinterested parties.

I am a professor at a highly regarded public university who is intrigued by but skeptical of Emoto's results. As a matter of fact, I know enough physics to know that it would be rash to dismiss Emoto's results on the basis of "physics" alone. But, as I say, I am skeptical. Am I in a position to do this research myself? Not really. Would I redirect my research activity for the purpose of doing it (I have tenure) if I were properly funded? Maybe. It would obviously take me away from other work; and I would be subjecting myself to a certain amount of ridicule just by being willing to carry out the experiments in the first place. But that in itself would not be a "deal breaker". I know how petty my colleagues can be, and I think my self-esteem can take the hit. But this doesn't mean I'd be willing to do the double-blind experiment(s) myself -- just that I'd be willing to consider it.

Maybe there is some other disinterested but credible party who is in a better position to do this work than I. Such a person would be worth finding.

Posted by: Responsible Intellect on April 27, 2006 at 12:12 PM

Hmmm. Here's my comment. I'm willing to pay $10,000.00 if he can prove his work in a double-blind test. This is because I'm sure he is a fraud. 100% sure. However, me wasting my time actually doing the test is impossible. I have no idea how to contact him, nor would he agree to any of my conditions of the test. It's readily apparent that he's a fraud, so, obviously, he wouldn't show up at my house or a respective scientific lab to do his experiment. However, if he's willing to submit himself to my experiments, then...sure...I'll do the tests. Send him to me.

In the mean time, check out this article about Mr. Emoto.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on April 27, 2006 at 05:27 PM

The reason Emoto hasn't contacted you is because you are not important enough for him to even know you exist. You must have a pretty infalted vision of yourself to think Emoto would even care what you say. Somebody would come up to him and say; "Hey Emoto there's this guy on the internet who says he'' pay you $10,000.00 if you can prove your tests accuracy in a double blind study" , and Emoto would say;" What the hell is a peenie willie?,and why the hell should I care what some blustering cynic thinks about my work".

I agree with the poster that suggested you just shoot yourself and save the world the torment of your negativity.

Posted by: Dave Gohnsen on July 13, 2006 at 01:26 PM


Obviously, you don't have a reputation to protect, or you'd understand how important it is to protect one. If someone publicly called you a fraud, then should immediately sue the from slander or libel. This is standard procedure. If you don't, then Occam's Razor says the reason you don't is that you're a fraud. Truth is the ultimate defense against a libel suit. He is a fraud, and everyone in the world knows it. He got his degree from a mail order university, for christ's sake. Wake up and smell the fraud you sycophant.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on July 13, 2006 at 03:30 PM

Peenie, People who are ahead of you in life, don't waste time with lawsuits. By all means enjoy your rants, your small time "internet" fame because I am sure Dr. E will continue to enjoy his ever improving life. I am pretty sure his speaking fee is higher than yours, I am pretty sure more people want to spend time with him than you, but as long as you feel you are doing a good thing for the world and yourself, keep up the good positive work.

Posted by: KJ on September 06, 2006 at 07:53 PM

Dr. Emoto is a fraud. Anyone knows that you life by your reputation. He doesn't sue, because he is a fraud, and reputation is not worth defending. He got his degree from a mail order university. You have no idea how much money I make. And I'm sure why you think more people want to spend time around him than me. You've never met me, or him, and have no basis on which to judge this. I promise you I tell better stories around the campfire. Dr. Emoto is a liar and a fraud. At least I am a successful pundit and raconteur, if nothing else.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on September 08, 2006 at 02:42 AM

Please descibe successful.

Posted by: KJ on September 10, 2006 at 05:01 AM

I have time to do as I choose. I don't ask for vacation, or time off. I set my own schedule. I fly around the country at my leisure. I have no deadlines. I write about what I choose to write, when I choose to write. My writings are widely read, and greatly appreciated. That, to me, is success.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on September 10, 2006 at 11:35 AM

Oh. And, also, I get to post my thoughts for others to read, and debate, online, such as yourself, without suffering the misfortune of having to meet them in person.

Dr. Emoto isn't the only fraud out there. There are millions making a living at astrology, palmistry, and all sorts of fakery. He isn't alone, and he isn't exceptional. He's just one fraud among millions. I mentioned him because the dolts that made the movie chose to focus on his outrageous claims.

Have a nice day, and enjoy the mental prison that the good Dr. Emoto has deceptively constructed for you. :)

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on September 10, 2006 at 12:00 PM

This is an interesting site! I'm half-way through watching "What the Bleep" and when I saw Mr. Emoto I did a Google search and found it. The quantum world is mysterious, but I still highly doubt Emoto's water claims, as well as the so-called science on random numbers the video mentions. I am looking forward to a replicated study. Know of any? If I had to bet money, I would put it all on "He's a fraud". People really have to believe in something, so even nonsense will fill that void. I prefer reality.

Posted by: Tim on September 11, 2006 at 05:18 PM

Finally! I have the answer that we have all been asking ourselves...who could peenie be... he/she/it does not have a real job, is deluded and arrogent...Pairs Hilton ....DUH
Also let me predict the train of thought in h/s/i next post......Dr. Dummy Dumb is a fake...
I am sooooo good... I will do your stupid double blind test...Got money to burn, email me or better yet find me on my space...Tie Ren...I am a college student so I have just the kind of frivolous enthusiasm this project needs...Just call me Dr. Wow...

Posted by: Little hay on September 11, 2006 at 08:39 PM

Little hay,
Excuse me for trying to inject a little science into a bunch of tree-hugging palm-reading sheisters. Carry on with your delusions. I'm sure that taking everything you hear at face value will get you far in life. I apologize for doubting the outrageous claims of Dr. Emoto. May you find happiness with your mental peers in the pseudo-scientific community of the left coast.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on September 12, 2006 at 12:21 AM

Well as long as your sorry then I, as well as the pseudo-scientists, forgive you....life is a basketball in chain brother...that is what freed the fish....

By the way...I was serious about doing that test so if you ever grow the balls to put your money where your mouth is you know where to find me.
I don’t think I will be posting here anymore...I kind of get a nose bleed when look down and see the astronomical difference between your prowess and my own...but don’t worry...once you get out of grammar school you can start playing with the big boys....

Posted by: Little hay on September 12, 2006 at 09:29 PM

Little hay,

I'm sure you get nosebleeds all the time. Lay off the drugs, and join us in reality. My sincerest condolences to those suffering your presence. I pray that you drown in a shallow pond, and that your mother is unable to attract attention, as she runs barking along the shore.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on September 13, 2006 at 10:45 PM

I have been interested in quantum physics for a long time and, when I saw the movie, I immediately though that Mr. Emoto's pictures were a fake, not because of any physical principle (I always doubt) but because of the manipulation of the color in these pictures. Even if the structure of christals changed, it was very suspicious for me that the water photographed after a violent situation was shown in red whereas the peaceful ones were in blue. Isn't that funny? I see Mr. Emoto as some kind of "naïf" artist and his work has more to do with creation than it has to do with science. No big deal, as long as he promotes love. As to the movie, I think it mixes some serious physical theories with cheap esoteric nonsense. I found this forum tryng to find any consistent study that prooved or refused Emoto's work. I think behind the insult gallery, which I don't want to enter, there's some interesting debate in here. My personal opinion is that Mr. Emoto's pictures have no scientific value at all, but aren't they beautiful?

Posted by: la gamba cósmica on September 27, 2006 at 07:52 AM

i am myself a skeptic about Mr Emotos photographs, but I came to this conclusion by reading about his methods not by writing a rant calling him a fraud and offering money that theres no proof will ever be produced. I doubt very much that Mr Emoto had read your little site or would respond if he had. Based on the fact that he has books, merchandise and inumerable seminars, i doubt very much he would be inclined to accept your "offer". And as to reputation, who the hell do you think you are that you could do anything to damage his reputation? You yourself have referred to yourself as "paranoid" and your work as "worthless". I doubt very much anyone would lose respect for Mr Emoto because of your ramblings.

Posted by: k on September 30, 2006 at 12:00 PM


Right. Like, you came to this conclusion, where as someone like me, who studied physics for years in college, couldn't possibly be able to have an informed opinion. Glad to hear you took some time off from your day job removing lead paint to crack a book. Congratulations. I know that he's a fraud because you can't change the shape of water molecules with your brain. You're an idiot. He's an idiot. And a liar. And a fraud. And, obviously you don't know anything about how important it is to protect your reputation because you don't have one to protect. He would sue me if he wasn't a fraud. You would know this if you weren't an idiot.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on October 01, 2006 at 10:24 AM

Peenie Wallie, you're a fraud. If you do not sue me shortly, I'll assume you agree.

Posted by: Henry Cauf on October 03, 2006 at 09:57 AM

Yeah, ok. I can see that to you, this might make sense. But it makes no sense to me to say I'm a fraud. I never claimed to be anything but a pundit to begin with. I say that his results can't be duplicated. That what he's claiming to do violates the known and accepted laws of physics. And I challenged him on it. So, he's going out on a limb with outlandish claims that can't be replicated, and I called him on it. As have others. I'm sorry that you disagree with me, and I'm equally sorry that he's deliberately misleading you and legions of other gullible, but no-doubt well-intentioned sycophants. It's nice to have a mentor. But you're chasing a malevolent Svengali, my friend. I wish you the best.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on October 03, 2006 at 12:44 PM

well of course he is a fraud I dont get why so many people defends Dr E, maybe he gave you something to belive in, maybe you needed that, but I prefer to keep my mind open for the truth not someone's pseudo scientific dream!

cheers peenie wallie

Posted by: JL Gil on October 06, 2006 at 04:06 PM

OH MINE...what makes you think Emoto will be a little bit interested in taking the challenge of reproducing his experiments for crappy 10'000 USD when he´s making hundreds of thousands with his books and water, offer him a Million :)

Posted by: Alks on October 28, 2006 at 05:05 PM

Actually double blind studies have been done, in Russia, japan and Holland, Germany and the US. On a micro-biological level static shift of energy can be measured through modern equipment. Thought, provided generated by a trained mediam, can be profound (Uri Geller is one of many)
That's why plants grow toward classical music and away from Monkey rap and hard metal. etc.
I understand the great sceptics, it's hard to fathom, but thought has aHUGE effect on matter. But matter is the final stage of a long process of conciousness so it takes a lot of energy to change it. Like the bricks of a house. No trouble moving one at the time but try to move a whole hous at once.

As faras the photographs do I have to agree that they look suspicious but that has to do with the temprature of the environement.

It takes a long time to become sick and a long time tobecome healthy and water is the only transient substance that will nearly absorb anything fast. It's really a gas and solvent and anything radiating on it's particles will effect the energy of thoe particles and thus the crystalisation as those are constructed this or that way through minute changes in energy.

Any way, charging money for water if the man really want's to improve the world and thus slowing that process by charging is dubuious, that make me wonder more about his sincerety than the fact that water can be changed through slight energy shifts.

He shoud donate the water to human kind to improve the world one glass at a time....
Sorry if my English is not what it should be. I am Dutch

Posted by: Dietrick on November 03, 2006 at 02:36 AM

Dr. Dean Radin has publically gone on record that he has conducted doubleblind studies of Dr. Emoto's work and in fact tripleblind.

Check out the Coast to Coast radio stream to hear him live.

Here's a quote from the site:

Radin also spoke about working with Dr. Masaru Emoto to replicate some of his studies with water crystals. Their collaborative experiment revealed that crystals produced from water bottles that had been meditated upon were more attractive to the eye, than those that had not received attention from the meditators. (February 1, 2007)

Let's send good intentions and become like water in responding to love, joy, and gratitude.

Thank you.

Posted by: reighnbow61 on February 02, 2007 at 02:03 PM

Its all in the individual perception. Whatever we think or believe will eventually come true. If you choose not to believe this or think about this.. you will NEVER know for sure!
Nothing is Impossible!

Posted by: dazz on March 31, 2007 at 07:29 PM

i dont believe in masaru emoto's crystal claims and to see my friends displaying his picture on their pages in praise is distressing. i was glad to find this page, but peenie weenie attacks everyone no matter if they're on "his side" or not. i just found it funny that no matter how many people agreed with him, as soon as they said one little thing against his rigid, unfaltering belief, he flipped. pretty funny.

there are some people who are with you dude, just calm down.

as for his angry attacks on supporters and critics alike, peenie wallie's sweet closing sentences: "Wake up and smell the fraud you sycophant" and "You would know this if you weren't an idiot" and "I pray that you drown in a shallow pond, and that your mother is unable to attract attention, as she runs barking along the shore" are worthy of fame all on their own! lol.

Posted by: Nicole on May 14, 2007 at 02:20 PM

Nicole, You're as sharp as a marble. You finally found the one web site on earth that has the balls to point out that this idiot is a liar and a fraud and you get down on me? Brilliant. Smoke another bowl, hippie.

Posted by: Rob Kiser on May 15, 2007 at 09:06 AM

Being a skeptic is not a form of wisdom. And spending a great deal of energy ranting about what you don't believe is the sign of a disturbed mind. Peenie Weenie and those like him are far more foolish than the "scientists" who argued that Galileo was deceived by his own telescope.
Full-time "Skeptics" seem to me to be typically lazy, arrogant, and frightened people who are more concerned with their own belief systems than with the truth. There is no room in their lives for revolutionary thought. And they have no real curiosity or respect for others. This is not to excuse bad science. But fierce devotion to any pardigm will blind you to the truth and lead to the development of negative social skills.

History and science have always been full of opposing veiw points. The truth usually ends up being somewhere between the two or nothing like either. Gallileo's Kopernican view is now also seen as rather primitive. Neuton was a genius, and sometimes wrongish. Einstein had good reason to keep an open mind.

Remember when cranberries were toxic, margarine was better than butter, and cigarettes had "scientifically proven" health benefits? As good scientists, it is our responsibility to look for holes in our own reasoning, not to cling to our limited views and criticise others.

Peenie Weenie and the others may be right about one or two things. But their entries on this forum serve less to disprove quacks than to display their own immaturity and need for psychiatric help.

Rob Kiser, you are just plain rude. But Peenie Weenie is a dick. You would have to pay a lot more than 10 G to get important people to pay attention to either you. The fact that the opinions of other matter so much to you suggests that you should consider mediation as a means to refine your personalities.

Posted by: Ian on May 15, 2007 at 10:21 AM

Ian, there's a difference between being skeptical and being a mouth-breathing idiot on an eternal quest for a svengali. If this fraud's claims are true, then why not do double-blind test? Are you against rigorous scientific analysis? Hmmm???

Posted by: Rob Kiser on May 16, 2007 at 08:53 AM

Dr. Emoto doesn't spend his time trying to convince people like you to believe him. His intentions are focused on positive aspects of energy and vibration. FYI, the double blind experiment has already been done.

Posted by: Truth on May 25, 2007 at 02:54 PM

"FYI, the double blind experiment has already been done." That's total bullsh1t. Post a link to this double blind study.

My Svengali can bend spoons with his mind and change the shape of water crystals with positive energy. Burn one for me, stoner.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on May 26, 2007 at 05:01 AM

I saw the What the Bullshit do We Know movie, and this water crystal thing had me intrigued. I looked it up, and found that he did not conform to scientific discipline, and so I dropped it. I think it´s interesting, though, and I can understand why some of the people posting here are worked up about it.

I read about 3 posts (and I didn´t read them all) saying that Emoto doesn´t need to prove anything to "you," meaning the venerable mad scientist that´s running this joint. However, these people are wrong because if Emoto is claiming that he "proved" this, then he is flat out lying, and needs to correct this.

Now, Emoto´s website is terrible, so I´m not going to waste too much time there, but from what I can tell, he´s not really saying that it´s a scientific experiment, and the wikipedia entry (can we trust that?) explains that he freely admits observational bias. Perhaps it is the film that is the true culprit here.

There is nothing wrong saying that the human spirit can alter the structure of a water crystal, and there is nothing wrong with believing that, if one should be so inclined, but it´s a problem when somebody lies and says they´ve proved it scientifically when they actually haven´t.

Now I´ve got some plants in my apartment, and I have named them after human emotions, just for fun. I´m quirky too, see, but proofs are proofs, and Emoto doesn´t have a damned thing.

Posted by: Robert Rogge on June 01, 2007 at 04:54 AM

I agree entirely with you (Peenie and Kiser), but nonetheless you guys are ridiculously stupid. Let´s just leave it at that.

Posted by: Humpty Dumpty on June 01, 2007 at 05:04 AM

Well, Humpty Dumpty and Robert Rogge (you two are the same, I checked your IP address -Doh!), I don't live in an apartment and I dont' have any plants named after human emotions. So, I think we know who's stupd. Let's leave it at that.

Posted by: Peenie Wallie on June 01, 2007 at 11:47 AM

It's certainly psuedo-scientific (faked), and I agree that most of the believers (who comment here) are a bit thick.
From your aggressive tone, i guess you struggle to communicate with unscientific folk who don't favour the sceptical mindset of scientific folk.
Some people didn't seem to realise that you weren't offering to pay 'Dr' Emoto 10k to do the study, only if he proved himself correct. Does seem like a playground challenge rather than a thoughtfull denial of his science though.
Also the 2 people who you think are the same person could just be sharing a web connection, perhaps they both just watched the film, and both found this site, independently or not.
You're very aggressive - try smoking a bit of weed rather than castigating the often well considered stoners.

Posted by: Brian on August 20, 2007 at 08:06 PM

Just came by this discussion and could not resist the temptation to investigate the matter even if I am bit late...

Here is a peer-reviewed article on a double-blinded study performed last year (published Sept 2006)

Surprised no one here thought to look for it on pubmed.org - it was the first thing that came up for me when I searched. You can purchase online for $10. I did- the study seems pretty legit and balanced (ie. they are not claiming some kind of miracle, and they evaluate possible sources of artifacts). I am a skeptical scientist though so I would like to see the phenomenon repeated and with more conditions (as do the authors of the article) before I would really buy-in.

While an incredible result (that our thoughts can influence physical properties in the world), it could provide a physical basis as to why positive thinking/prayer etc. can have a measurable beneficial outcome on patients recovering from surgery (see reference below) and other related curiosities. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2614656&dopt=Citation

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." Albert Einstein

Posted by: JJ on September 15, 2007 at 08:47 PM

Well. How about that. While I disagree with most of peenie weenie's logic (at least that which is coherent). I am a bit surprised that a true double blind study is even possible in a case, such as this, where the observer would seem to be so much a part of the process.

Posted by: Ian on November 28, 2007 at 11:36 AM

Oh, right. We did a good thorough double-blind test on it and, instead of publishing the results, we're going to sell them online. Classic. Why didnt' I think of this? Fraud!

Posted by: Rob Kiser on December 01, 2007 at 10:13 AM

Hey there Rob Kisser, I don't think they're necesarily selling the results online. I'm a uni student and you often have to subscribe to scientific journals (by paying for them) if you want access to them online or in print. It's kinda like buying a magazine.

Posted by: Stasia7 on December 22, 2007 at 07:57 AM

I'm sure you're right. If I was running a scam and someone did a test that exonerated me, instead of posting the results online as a .pdf file where everyone on earth could download them for free, I'd charge a fee and print them out to kill some trees, and then ship them out via snail mail. In 2007, that's the state-of-the-art preferred method of getting the word out these days. It's roughly equivalent to using the Pony Express. Next.

Posted by: Rob Kiser on December 22, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Just want to confirm what Stasia7 said is true. Most research papers are not free to download because they often belong to a journal. And all journals require a subcribtion fee. Of course, if the journal is government funded, then it could be free.

Posted by: Open-minded on April 26, 2008 at 03:32 PM

Thanks for the feedback Open-minded, and what you're saying may be true. I don't doubt it. However, if your goal is to disprove the nay-sayers, then what you do is fund the study yourself (I can't imagine it would be that expensive to have a few people in a double-blind study in front of a ziploc bag full of water. And then you say "Think mean thoughts" or "think happy thoughts" or whatever it is that he says changes the molecular structure of water. And then, you have a guy on the other side of the room with a microscope and you don't tell him what they were thinking. You just hand him a bag of water and say "what was the person thinking when they reorganized these water molecules?"

And then, when you are proven right, you post the results of the doubleblind studies on a public forum for all the world to see.

This is a very easy thing to do. But, on the other hand, if you are a total fraud and what you're saying can't be independently verified, then yes, I think you throw up as many smoke screens as possible and toss up roadblocks and talk about how people should just believe. As in "faith". Like a religion. ;)

Posted by: Rob Kiser on April 26, 2008 at 08:07 PM

I would say it is probably a scam, he should be using his fame and authority to denounce the fact that the water we bathe in and consume is fluoridated and causes terrible damage. You cannot remove the bad stuff from water which causes osteooporosis and brain damage.

Where is the morality here, he is capable of supporting the UN and they just declared that water is not a basic human right I.E. all water is to be privatized because we mere serf are not reponsible to be the caretakers of our own natural sovereignty. Wake up guys, it´s one scam after another and they are very good at it.

If you take time to study Agenda 21 we will soon be rationed water, probably 10 litres per day for all your need, thanks to the Al Gore scam and the Club of Rome who came up with the idea that man id¡s the cancer and to reduce the population by 95%.

Do your research.

Posted by: Wes on August 02, 2008 at 07:48 PM

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